SO505i.jpgJust got my SO505i yesterday.

The good news first. It does flash. Hirata pointed out a 6K flash RSS reader written by Yasuhisa which SHOULD work on my phone. This will be very cool. The 1.3 Megapixel camera works and feels like a real digital camera. The screen faces out so that you can use it like a camera without opening the phone.

The bad news. Emailing the 1280 x 960 images is impossible because of the size and because they phone doesn't let you even try making this silly mistake. It uses a new, yes a NEW memory stick format called Memory Stick Duo. I can't find it in stock anywhere and I need a NEW adapter for my Mac. Ugh.

The address book still sucks for English speakers because there is only one tab for english names in the address book.

Things that I MIGHT be able to get used to but are still weird: The antenna sticks out of your chin, the phone opens by twisting, not flipping, there is a little white LED that you can turn on and no flash. I can see how this might be more power efficient than a flash, but I haven't found it to be useful yet to light up subjects. Also, it's a bit big and heavy. It doesn't have GPS and location info so I'm sure I'll have GPS envy.

Now I have to figure out how to thumbnail in python and add it to my moblog...

UPDATE: I just found out that I can call and receive calls and talk without opening the phone. That's cool.

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I'm tired of reading about your high-end ultratech gadgets. I look at my lame-ass Sony Ericsson A1101S and am thinking I want to be Joi... :)

Oh, and this phone was made by Sony-Ericsson.

Now I have to figure out how to thumbnail in python and add it to my moblog...

My phone does thumbnails very nicely - I'll trade you.
(Actually, it only does thumbnails...)

Have a Google for "ImageMagick-Python". I haven't used it, but its parent, ImageMagick is a fantastic commandline image manipulator.

I haven't

joi,

memory stick duo is just the shorter version of memory stick... try shoving your memory stick in the slot... it should work, it'll just stick out like a sore thumb from your phone... :)

next time you're in the area, the company store has LOTS of memory stick duos in stock, and they all have the extenders so it will work in all regular memory stick stuff. with it, you don't need to completely replace all your memory stick adapters...

Yes, that's right. Joi, you'll have an extender for Memory Stick Duo to be adjusted to normal Memory Stick adapters.

BTW, does SO505i give you really a similar feeling to take photos to normal digicams like Sony's Cybershot?

Very similar to a real digital camera feeling. Shutter button, big screen to view, menus to change things like white balance, size, light meter, etc.

So that's what it is. I was on the Asakusa line yesterday heading to work and saw a guy fiddling with what looked a bit like a brick. it was folded with the screen pointing out, so i thought it might be a new (albeit fat) mini-Palm-like device. The user was messing around with the interface a bit, although he looked a bit unhappy as he gauged it's weight. He subsequently plopped it into his breast-pocket, creating a nice big sag. Maybe the extra weight will help with your fitness routine :)

I'm in Hiroshima this week, and am enjoying my exploration of the new phone models at DeoDeo and other shops. The thumbnail feature on these phones is terrific. Email is super convenient (as long as you use low res). Interesting to notice the "smart mob" behavior.. if there is some famous person on the street talking to tv camera.. you'll also see many Japanese folks holding up their mobile phone.. finger on the shutter, waiting for the perfect pose, or gesture. Dedicated digital camera's are history.

The new phones are a bit clunkier, but I'm carrying my clunky 1997 1.5 meg pixel Fuji digital camera, my Palm V pda, and an old imode model.

I made some additional comments on the new 505 series imode in my blog
Al's Radio Weblog i-mode new 505-series comments

all these great phones. sort of depressing. perhaps someday we'll even have simple html and packet based charges and interesting mobile content in the US!

Al

Hey! I picked up my SO505i yesterday as well. Life on the bleeding edge, what can I say?

Joi, when you figure out how to moblog with this post it up!

A quick note on the camera functions (mines a Cyber-Grey BTW)

You can't turn the #%$&@ shutter sound off! I assume that they do this so all those perverts out there can't use it to take pictures up girls skirt in the trains, but still! you can't even change the volume (extra loud). No using this one in a theatre for sure.
I do LOVE the 2nd (of 3) customized sounds though. A camera that sounds like a gun firing will sure get you attention. I plan to use that sound as I take pictures of security guards at Narita (+ +)

Still this is a SUCH A COOL TOY. Next I need to get that SONY pocket sized photo printer...

Hi Joi! Memory Stick Duo is not new at all! It is the standard for Sony Ericsson smartphones like the GSM P800 (based on SymbianOS) sold in Europe and in the US.
Get one, it can do significantly more than a Japanese phone... with the glaring omission of a Japanese font and entry system (... but hey I cannot write French accent on my sha-mail phone: Vodaphone, give me back my money ...)

if you put the phone into silent mode (no ring) will the camera still sound? the nokia 7650 is pretty loud too but you can turn it off by doing this...

oh, btw - for you lucky sods with the flash capable handsets check out Macromedia's CDK for creating and deploying flash-lit content on your phones...

we're working on some cool stuff right now too - I'll let Joi know when it's up...

Yeah. I tried going through all the phone settings, setting the "manner mode" and everything. The phone still makes a shutter sound.
Finally broke down (RTFM) and looked it up. Luckily I got the English language manual. (the main reason for paying too much at the DoCoMo shop). Of course the inability to shut the stupid sound off ever is listed as a "feature"!.

Hope someone finds a way around this. Although it's great having a cell phone that could get you shot at in a NY subway (jk)

"say cheese!"
*BANG*
"he's gotta gun!"

*BANGBANGBANG*

for those that want to print camera phone photos in Japan... i just read this:

"NEC Mobiling, Ltd.'s Primode enables cell-phone users to print photo stickers from images taken using a cell phone with a built-in camera. Printers that look like huge cell phones have been placed at about 2,000 amusement arcades and shopping malls." The email/share photo printout feature sounds good too.

Camera Phone Photos Replace Purikura

Joi,

Does the Flash RSS reader work on your 505. It's my understanding that the Flash Lite player does not have a way to load dynamic data (RSS). Is this wrong?

Guillaume: Oh. So the Duo's not new? I guess it was just new to me. ;-)

I'm going to Sony Headquarters to visit some people today so maybe I'll be able to find a Memory Stick Duo in the company store. Then I'll be able to upload some pics.

Mike: I haven't tried the RSS reader, but I THINK you have to run it on a server, have some script go get the feeds, output a flash file that you download into your phone. So you don't actually get dynamic data.

While the S0505i has an *awesome* camera, I must admit that the Sony isn't my favorite 505i model. Also note the following bug:

Insertion of "my data" or "phone list" info in email body disables most menu selections.
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http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/cda/article/news_toppage/14304.html


DoCoMo coverage of the bug
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http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/info/customer/caution/20036500.html

User discussions on the matter. (ni channeru BBS)
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http://etc.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/phs/1054716495/l50


I'm partial to the D505i(mitsubishi) and P505i (panasonic) myself. SO505i has a brilliant design though, don't you think?

Mike

One more thing. I fear that the FlashLite player on your new handset will probably not run the RSS Flash reader that Yasuhisa created.

The problem is that the Fblog reader is apparently built with Flash Player, version 6 in mind. It looks like he is using ActionScript that the FlashLite player cannot interpret. Namely, AS code that pertains to XML parsing.

As of Flash 5, a new version of ActionScript was implemented that is heavily based on ECMAScript and that includes comprehensive support for XML parsing.

The FlashLite player uses ActionScript, circa Flash 4. That's not necessarily a drawback, though. Flash 4 ActionScript is very useful, comprehensive, easy to write, and offers the flexibility to create a wide spectrum of interfaces, games, animations, and rich mobile applications. Unfortunately, though, it can't do XML parsing the way Yasuhisa did it. There are, of course, workarounds if you're a seasoned ActionScript coder.

Thanks for mentioning about my little flash app. It's still under development (I would like to improve GUI and user experience), but it's getting there.

Like Mike mentioned, fBlog Reader probably will not work on 505. Yes, my original plan was to work with a cell phone. But, after I found out that FlashLite will only capable of Flash 4 ActionScript.

Hopefully, I can find other ways to work with cellphones.

Thanks for mentioning about my little flash app. It's still under development (I would like to improve GUI and user experience), but it's getting there.

Like Mike mentioned, fBlog Reader probably will not work on 505. Yes, my original plan was to work with a cell phone. But, after I found out that FlashLite is capable of Flash 4 ActionScript.

Hopefully, I can find other ways to work with cellphones.

Yasuhisa-san.

Please note that I think your FBlog is a great application and a good example of your mastery of Flash and other Web technologies. I hope I didn't seem critical before. Your skills obviously place you at the forefront of rich internet app development. I am looking forward to seeing more of your excellent work.

日本語で返事したかったけど、書く能力は絶対の自信を持っていないので、母国語を使って、自分自身の言葉で返事することにしました。すみません。

マイク

unfortunately there is no way of loading dynamic data into the flash lite player at all. Mike and Yasuhisa are right about it being flash 4 compatible, but even then it's just a subset of the full actionscript library. I agree with Mike that it's not a drawback though (well, maybe a bit). Some of the most engaging entertainment apps I've worked on or played have been simple affairs. All it takes is ingenuity rather than god-like (but commercially unviable) actionscript powers!

However, I think Joi mentioned that it might run via the server instead above... Unwittingly, I think that may provide a solution if you want to read blogs on your phones. You could, if you have the right access, install one of the Generator-type applications and then generate the swf on the fly when it's requested... We're working on something similar at the moment at Pixelfury. The xml feed would be pulled in at compile-time and the swf would then be served to your handset complete... Like I say, we're experimenting at the moment and I'll post results if they happen!

For creating thumbnails in Python, I've used Python Image Library with good results. I've always had bad luck getting ImageMagick to compile, and PIL is easy enough for what I do.

If I find my code for doing thumbnails, I'll send it to you. These days I'm lazy and use iphoto. then again, once I get a cell phone with a camera, I'll probably need to get more organized...

Re: Mike

Oh, Mike. I never saw your comment as a negative thing. I am always open for any criticism or advices. Like you said, fBlog Reader is not working for a cellphpne, and it has things need to be improved.

Keep in touch. Thanks for your comment.

I'm going to write a proper entry about this later, but the image quality for low-light photos sux. Just wanted to mention this before everyone ran out and bought one.

Where to buy this ericsson, please? SO505i ? Is it for GSM ?

please send email to karol@freeland.sk

THNX.
karol

Hi,
i am very interested in this phone aswell, can you give me mor technical information?
Is it GSM 1800/900/1900 or G3 ??
what is the Price of the Phone?
Where to get it??

Thanks a lot and mannny greetings

Sebastian

like many ppl...i want to know whether this supports gsm?

coz if it does im gonna buy one...

btw.....can this phone change languange to english?

No GSM. English menus, sucky support for English address book.

Friends all these cool cells in Japan do not work anywhere else. Their platforms are wcdma or cdma2000 a couple of gens more than the USA or Europe.

Wow! Lot's of GREAt information on the 505i.

I made a short video clip of the 505 swivelling, with close-ups of the curvature and a shot of the memory stick duo:

505i Video

(3.2 MB, Quicktime)

I really liked the feel of the phone, especially with it to my ear. My only concerns:

- The screen being exposed
- No flash (?)

Thanks,

Freedom

I agree that the lack of a real camera flash is a problem with the phone (and I believe is the problem with every cell phone maera I have seen to date.
Pictures I take inside tend to be blurry and grainy as the CCD camera can not compensate for the exposure. The built in light feature helps a tiny bit, but really does not do as much. (although it makes a handy flashlight in a pinch).
I've muddled around with it for almost 2 weeks now, so I'll post a more complete review to my blog soon.
Showing it around in the States last week though got lots of comments.

these phones r yes so cool but can we get some approx. prices you know maybe we would like to save up 4 the phone....lol.... you know anywayzz good work on yhe page 4 now .

these phones r yes so cool but can we get some approx. prices you know maybe we would like to save up 4 the phone....lol.... you know anywayzz good work on yhe page 4 now .

I was wondering if anyone knows what type of camera it is? Is it CCD or is it CMOS? I've been waiting to see a 1+mp CMOS camera hit the phone market was hoping this might be it.

I want to buy so505i,who can tell me where I can buy it ?Or who want to trade with me ? I am in China now,conect with me
linw81@yahoo.com.cn

does this type surport CDMA2000?\GPRS?

Just because it seems like it needs to be restated, the SO505i, along with all the other 505 phones you hear about are all UMTS phones. This mean that not only are they only usable in Japan (no SIM slot), they are only usable in the NTT Docomo phone network. You can NOT use them as phones outside of Japan (camera workd fine tho), and you can not use them on any other phone company network in Japan.

how come !!! so when can i use this phone ( SO505i ) in HK ???
as HK now still using the GSM 900/GSM 1800 ...

Hi,
this sony ericsson sound awsome and that is has a camera,cool.
can the so505i cahang to English language setting?
what is the Price of the Phone? Where can i get the so505i, please?

Thanks steven

Im not sure where to begin .... I just got my phone today. Is there any useful software that I could download for it? It comes with a pretty powerful TV remote but that only works with sony products. I was just wondering about other software though .....
HOlla.
ps. I live in japan.

If I import it in Italy, will I be able to use it on GSM lines?
Is the menù also in englisg language?

If I buy it from an importer shop, will I be able to use it on GSM line (I live in Italy and I current have a P900)?
Is the menù also in the english language?

all i wanna know is where can you go to get some info in english. cause the docomo site is all in english but its just one big commercial. and all the helpful sites are in konji. i would like to know how to download the remote control codes. the store didnt have a manual in english ether.

no flash is bad news for purchasing plans.But at this point this cell has lots of things that no ones cannot do it...and also look for other models like "samsung d410","Sony ericsson Z1010","Motorola MPX100","Motorola MPX","Siemens S65","Siemens M65 Outdoor","Nokia 7610"...

hi im from peru and my sister brought me a docomo so505i cel and I want to activate it but the company ask me for a tecnic Programation code and I really dont know what is that. if you can give me that code I would be very thanks =D

For the record:
SO505i & SO505is (and related models) work ONLY in Japan and are made only for the japanese market.

That means: Japanese only, with limited english support. No GSM. This phone works ONLY on Japan's cellphone networks, which are currently unique.

GSM version of this phone is coming to the world market in Q4 2004 an dis called the Sony Ericsson S700
http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=global&lc=en&ver=4001&template=pg1_1_1&zone=ph&pid=10149

Ya, I have a so505i, And it is damn sweet. The gunshot camera is so cool. Anyway, the only thing I want to know is if theres a website with downloads for this phone. Thanks! If you could e-mail it too me that would be great!! Seanbu109@hotmail.com

dear joi i've got an opportunity to purchase a :SO 505i but i live in the UK, will it work over here? please let me know. I just can't seem to find out from anyone!

It won't work in the UK. It only works in Japan.

I live in the US and I know people who claim to be able to reprogram the SO505i so that it may work. Any of you guys know anything about that? Also is the SO505i tri-band?

Its obvious that this phone will roam on GSM networks OUTSIDE of Japan. Then why are so many people saying that this phone only works in Japan? There must be a way to get around the firmware. Does anyone know how to reprogram it?

It's not a matter of reprogramming. It's using a completely different radio. Here is more information on the PDC protocol it uses.

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