I know this is comparing apples and oranges, but that's what I've got: apples and oranges.

The Nokia 6600 has a 65,536 color 176 x 208 pixel display and a 640 x 480 pixel camera whereas the Sony SO505iS has a 262,144 color 240 x 320 display and a 1280 × 960 pixel camera. Both displays are bright, but the Sony display and camera win.

They're about the same size and weight, but the 6600 feels much more comfortable in my hand. Warm, round and buttons in the right place. The SO505iS is cold and a bit awkward (as if a digital camera and a phone got merged in the machine in "The Fly"). Having said that, the SO505iS is much better than the SO505i that it replaces. It's thinner and generally better designed. (The antenna doesn't stick out of your chin, the camera turns on when you open the camera cover, etc.)

The SO505iS runs J2ME and Flash applications whereas the 6600 runs J2ME and Symbian applications. The UI on the 6600 is utilitarian and simple whereas the Sony sports an animated background and a OS X sort of zooming icon wheel. The Sony has a two speaker stereo system and a stereo mini-plug for headphones where you can listen to music and watch videos from the proprietary memory stick in their proprietary media format. (You can record your favorite TV shows onto your memory stick and watch them on the train.)

The biggest difference is that you have to be a rocket scientist to figure out all of the message and data modes on the 6600. The blessing and the horror of the open system is that 6600 has to deal with all of the carrier inconsistencies and trying to figure out how to get online with the 6600 reminded me of just how screwed up the telco standardization process is. The SO505iS, on the other hand comes from the dictatorship of Docomo so what it lacks in flexibility and openness, it benefits in simplicity. Shoot a photo, click and send. Moblog away. I have yet to be able to send a picture via email from my 6600.

Both phones have lots of applications, but the Symbian applications are impressively Internet aware. There is an IRC client and IM client. Docomo, with it's rather closed architecture regarding networking has some cool applications, but they are really focused on providing content and services.

I would probably have a different opinion if I still used my Vaio, but the SO505iS really doesn't want to have anything to do with my Mac. The 6600 on the other hand, loves my Mac, talking to it in Bluetooth and even happily becoming a gprs modem for it. Zooming in a cab in San Francisco with my 6600 in my pocket and my PowerBook on my lap online was a great feeling. (Thanks for showing me how to do this Rael!)

Having said that, this is a totally useless review because you can't use the 6600 in Japan because we don't have a GSM network and you can't use the SO505iS anywhere outside of Japan because it uses Docomo's proprietary PDC network, or rather Docomo uses the SO505iS. Thus apples and oranges.

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I am also having problems getting my Foma N2102V and my mac to communicate with each other. Do you know of any 3rd party software that attempts to resolve these problems. I've looked, but so far haven't found anything. For me the review wasn't totally useless. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one with Docomo/Mac problems.

hmmm. I love my 6600.

But I would love the Sony too...

A useless comment for your (self proclaimed) useless review... ;)

If you're in Japan but you like the idea of the 6600, try one of the Fujitsu phones on FOMA that use Symbian OS. i.e. F2051, F2102 or better yet F900iT, which with Bluetooth should let you use it as a modem for your Mac, and hopefully will get iSync support.

OK, it won't let you run Series 60 applications, but it still has that internet aware OS at it's heart.

Hi,

Does any one know how to make the backlight stay on for longer (more than 15 seconds) on the Nokia 6600.

Cheers

Can you teach me how to get my 6600 to work as a modem for my powerbook?

can i watch full movies on my nokia 6600? if so how?

Hey, is SO505iS G3?

I have recently purchased a SO505iS phone, and I have loved every bit of it. The simplicity and the fact that anything you want to do is just a click away makes it so great. I have only just moved to Japan to live here and before I left, the phone i would have purchased was the nokia 6600. It would be great if any one could come back to me with a few tips on the music panel on the DOCOMO phone, particularly, placing songs on it. It would be much appreciated.

Harry

I have recently purchased a SO505iS phone, and I have loved every bit of it. The simplicity and the fact that anything you want to do is just a click away makes it so great. I have only just moved to Japan to live here and before I left, the phone i would have purchased was the nokia 6600. It would be great if any one could come back to me with a few tips on the music panel on the DOCOMO phone, particularly, placing songs on it. It would be much appreciated.

Harry

I also have a SO505is, and can't figure out how to play MP3s on it. I've tried copying them to the memory stick using a PCMCIA card reader on my mac, but it does work. I thought I might need to shorten the file name, but that didn't help either. My guess is that they need to go in a specific folder on the memory stick. Only problem is, I have no idea what that folder might be. Please send me an e-mail if anyone figures it out. Vince@oneforkshort.com

hey vince..the only problem youre facing is that the sonys SO505iS could only play mp3s in the format of ATRAC and its only available if you have the Sonicstage Software or MG Jukebox software which is both from sony. This is the one thing that suxx. Everything must be in a different way!! Dammit sony.

hey vince..the only problem youre facing is that the sonys SO505iS could only play mp3s in the format of ATRAC and its only available if you have the Sonicstage Software or MG Jukebox software which is both from sony. This is the one thing that suxx. Everything must be in a different way!! Dammit sony.

Where can I get sonic stage or MG jukebox? I can't seem to find the software for download anywhere.

well thats the problem..i got mine from my md player. try searching it at kazaa..

Good review :). One question, how do you get the 6600 to act as a GPRS modem. I used to be able to do this with my 3650, and copied the settings over, but they've never worked. Any pointers on this ?.

Hi, all the way from montreal, canada! Just wondering if the Sony SO505is could be unlocked to work in my area. The bands we have here are GSM900 Class4/GSM1800 Class 1 and GSM1900. If anyone have info on this, PLEASE e-mail me about it. Thanks a lot again.

Alexis Laurence
alexis_laurence@hotmail.com

Hello!
First of all, thx for your review on the SO505is!Even if it was meant as a sparing between you, yourself and your nokia, it made me buy a great keitai. I was torn between the sony and the panasonic, although I can't see why anymore(=________=')?
Would you happen to know (I'm sure you do^^) where I could D\L an IRC client for my docomo? and some nice a-ppli games and stuff would be nice too (if I count on sony to entertain me, It'd best to terminate my I-mode subscription right now)
I thank you in advance, O Master of the Gadget,
and a nice day to every bloggers online.

Cedryc, a little belgian lost in Tokyo

Hello!
First of all, thx for your review on the SO505is!Even if it was meant as a sparing between you, yourself and your nokia, it made me buy a great keitai. I was torn between the sony and the panasonic, although I can't see why anymore(=________=')?
Would you happen to know (I'm sure you do^^) where I could D\L an IRC client for my docomo? and some nice a-ppli games and stuff would be nice too (if I count on sony to entertain me, It'd best to terminate my I-mode subscription right now)
I thank you in advance, O Master of the Gadget,
and a nice day to every bloggers online.

Cedryc, a little belgian lost in Tokyo

Hello!
First of all, thx for your review on the SO505is!Even if it was meant as a sparing between you, yourself and your nokia, it made me buy a great keitai. I was torn between the sony and the panasonic, although I can't see why anymore(=________=')?
Would you happen to know (I'm sure you do^^) where I could D\L an IRC client for my docomo? and some nice a-ppli games and stuff would be nice too (if I count on sony to entertain me, It'd best to terminate my I-mode subscription right now)
I thank you in advance, O Master of the Gadget,
and a nice day to every bloggers online.

Cedryc, a little belgian lost in Tokyo

Hello!
First of all, thx for your review on the SO505is!Even if it was meant as a sparing between you, yourself and your nokia, it made me buy a great keitai. I was torn between the sony and the panasonic, although I can't see why anymore(=________=')?
Would you happen to know (I'm sure you do^^) where I could D\L an IRC client for my docomo? and some nice a-ppli games and stuff would be nice too (if I count on sony to entertain me, It'd best to terminate my I-mode subscription right now)
I thank you in advance, O Master of the Gadget,
and a nice day to every bloggers online.

Cedryc, a little belgian lost in Tokyo

Wow, this place seems to have become the online English support group site for Sony's new little toy...sweet as!

Anyhoo, just got my SO505iS on Friday, and I'm in love w/ it! It beats my old SH251i like a red headed step child. Thanks to everyone who's commented and especially to Joi Ito for putting this blog up. Cheers to ya! You guys have truely confirmed what a kick ass phone this is...and you should see how jealous my g/f is of it *hehehehe*

One quick question, up here in the wilds of inaka Hokkaido where I got mine, the store didn't have any English manuals for it. Would Sony, or for that matter the DoCoMo shop be able to hook me up w/ one? My Japanese isn't that bad, but it'd be a whole helluva lot easier in Eigo, ne?

Cheers in advance,

Ben, buried under 2 meteres of snow in Hokkaido

1)want to sync my nokia 6600 with mac?
2) any software available for pc syn for mac with nokia 6600?

Hi

I live in canada, ontario and i want to buy SO505iS. plz let me know where to look for it?
Thanks

how much is the nokia 6600 on o2 on contract please

Hi

I just want to buy SO505iS, I don't care if it will not work i just want it :) plz let me know if there's a way to purchase it in Canada, Ontario.
Thanks

Hi

I just want to buy SO505iS, I don't care if it will not work i just want it :) plz let me know if there's a way to purchase it in Canada, Ontario.
Thanks

Hi

I just want to buy SO505iS, I don't care if it will not work i just want it :) plz let me know if there's a way to purchase it in Canada, Ontario.
Thanks

HI
I like so505is,its great.but i have some questions?can u answer me?can i use it in america,is it GSM900/1800/1900 Phone,thank u very much.

OMG,i cant use it in america.but i know that-japanese phone r very ns.Can u introduce some GSM phone 2 me.please write back thank u very much.

http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2004/se-s700-pict-en.shtml

S700 is the SO505iS but for GSM networks. There is differences, but overall both should be similar in most aspects.

http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2004/se-s700-pict-en.shtml

S700 is the SO505iS but for GSM networks. There is differences, but overall both should be similar in most aspects.

Is there any way.. any possible way forme to get a So505is in America?? please email me with an answer... i would kill for this phone :-D

FOR THOSE WHO WANT an SO505is:

This particular phone only works in Japan. However, Sony Ericsson just announced the S700 which is essentially the So505 for GSM.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/s700

Cheers.

Hi

I just found out that s700 will be released in the end of 2004 and only in USA not canada as they changed on their site and took the preview of that phone off of the canadian site :(
I hope they release it faster in Canada.

re: S700 in Canada:
The cool phones never come up here via the carriers anyways! You need to order it unlocked from any number of places on the web.

Hey there
I have just got a 6600, and have a blue tooth connection to it, but I cant get the bloomin' thing to play my music. How do I play my music files on the phone? Help me please!!!!!

I got my instuction booklet from the docomo people, I just rang the english helpline and asked for an english book! Does anyone have a link for the ATRAC software or any alternative software?!?

Hello There!
I was wondering if there is any possible ways to unlock the SO505IS phone in Honolulu? My friends somehow got their SO595IS and the SO505I phones to be unlocked. Please do tell me how to unlock mines...by the way SONICSTAGE programs are packed in all Sony NET MD Players. This is one of the ways to get the software. ATRAC3 is a very good thing when it comes to any Memory Stick devices by Sony. Anything other than that doesn't work. You might also find the SONIC STAGE software on any torrent links on the web.

Hello There!
I was wondering if there is any possible ways to unlock the SO505IS phone in Honolulu? My friends somehow got their SO595IS and the SO505I phones to be unlocked. Please do tell me how to unlock mines...by the way SONICSTAGE programs are packed in all Sony NET MD Players. This is one of the ways to get the software. ATRAC3 is a very good thing when it comes to any Memory Stick devices by Sony. Anything other than that doesn't work. You might also find the SONIC STAGE software on any torrent links on the web.

hi i just brought a nokia 6600
can anyone tell me how to download music videos on it
i have a great collection and i
would to have them with me while on the go
thanking you in advance

hi

i am fron the u.k.

is there anyone who can help me so that i can get my hands on a sony so5050is?

i would be grateful, thanks in advance and feel free to e mail me, zazox17@hotmail.com

likewise, if theres any help needed in respect to u.k mobile fones and networks/tariffs i can favour with some help, i would be more than willing thank you

For all those people looking for SonicStage, I just downloaded mine @ http://www.my-minidisc.com/download_en.html

Wish me luck - I'm on a Mac, but I'm installing SonicStage in VirtualPC - hopefully it will be able to recognize my MemoryStick reader.

Hi, im currently in the UK and I have just seen the SO595IS, if i managed to get hold of one, would it work over here? And if so, any ideas where i should start looking?
Im thinking about the s700 if not, but i would love to get my hands on the SO595IS - thanx a million, Bren

Fuck you

Jer! Thanks! you are a life saver. I got the SO505is and needed the software in english. fricking sony!

Hi

I am from UKRAINE.

Please help me unlock (SP and SIM lock) my Fujitsu phones FOMA F2051 and NEC phones FOMA N2051, i have usb cable but dont have any software for unlock.

Sanks

I have an docomoSO505is. I was wondering how I might load some video into the memory stick and view it on the phone. What file type is the vidoe that get recorded? I have gotten all the musical aspects down, but now need help with the video. Would really appreciate it.

hi, i just purchased the so505i is there a way to unlock it in canada?there is no absolute way to do it?no way around it?

Can i use the SO505IS and SO595IS phones on GSM networks? Letme know if there is any possible way.

thanx
tio

Can i use the SO505IS and SO595IS phones on GSM networks? Letme know if there is any possible way.

thanx
tio

I don't think there is any possible way to use the SO505 or any Japanese standard PDC phones on GSM networks since the radio is inherently different and the ID system is as well. The UMTS/3G stuff is becoming more compatible and you can take some of the J-Phone stuff abroad...

I have finally understood how to get this working in America. First we must understand that a WCDMA network phone cannot be converted in a GSM format. Second we must live with the upcoming AT&T WCDMA networks that is growing right now. By next year August, AT&T should have already expanded the WCDMA network in all countries. Since Japan must update on thier network every 4 years, we can always buy a used phone from someone who canceled thier contract and use that phone in America. Now from here, the phones transmitter or frequency must be changed to a lower frequency as WCDMA 1800,etc. The frequency that is set in Japan does not work in America due to the Military uses the Japanese WCDMA frequency in America. That is why AT&T cannot keep the same frequency number as in Japan. Right now I currently own a SO505IS as well. I am going to try my best to convert it to use in America soon. I hope this new info helps all of you guys out there, just don't lose any hope on your phone yet!

Gunter, I don't think the SO505IS uses WCDMA. It's good old NTT only PDC I think. WCDMA is J-Phone.

Hey guyz. today i got my 7600 but i don't like it as it is limited in applicatins and memory. (I have a 3g usim card). when i put it in my 6600 it said sim rejected as it is a 2.5G phone. I am really pissed off now. I saw in one of the forums that a guy had a 6600 which supports WCDMA and i am not sure if it means that it works with 3g usims and he is saying it works it japan! have a look:

url: http://www.japan-guide.com/forum/quereadisplay.html?0+3955

I wanna know is there any possibility to uggrade the firm or something which make the phone works with 3g usims?

hi all (nice log)

anyhow, i'm getting my SO505is in a few days, but oes anyone know what format the movies are saved as/what format the phone can play in regards to video files? i heard it is MQV...

if so, its going to be kinda difficult to convert video files on the pc into MQV format...

Hi.
i am interested in purchasing a SO505is. Anyone know where I could get one delivered to the UK?
Is it compatible with the WCDMA 3G network in the UK?

I have SO505is, and im selling it out! it is still lock but it is possible to use with 3G in the uk, only the SDsim must be frash, thats what the docomo shop in japan said when i bought it! it cant be use to any GSM network! but 3G may be compatible. if interested, you are welcome to email me at za_bkk@hotmail.com i live in Denmark.

hi friends,Can work the SO505is GSM 1800????

can the SONY ERICSSON DOCOMO SO505i be used on the Verizon Wireless CDMA network?

I have the Docomo So505i is there anyway for it to work on verizons 3G/CDMA? maybe through some bootable application that runs off the memory stick or something, that can possibly have the relevant data for an american network to be used. and is there anyway through software or simple hardware modification that will allow me to change the frequency so as it no longer uses the USgovt wireless frequency? thanks

Hello, i am mexican? my question is, where i can buy a Sony Ericsson SO505iS phone? ahh, can work in 3g (iusacell) network? thanks, please answer me to my mail:
aeons_of_magick@hotmail.com

hi how do u change the language to english in the so505i?????

Im using Nokia 6600 and now I got problem... when Im trying to open gallery I need to wait a long time but not nothing... always loading...

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