In my highly enlightened state this morning, I mused about the idea of a multi-author blog about resisting addiction. People could share their experience and we could also discuss the meta-issue of creating a network to support people who are trying to quit. I'm pretty set on getting this started today so I'm soliciting ideas before I kick it off. I need a name and a few key things to focus on. I guess that figuring out the URL is pretty important. Any ideas?

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i can't wait for this. If you need any help, I'm all for it.

I guess we can all talk about how we are addicted to blogging ;=)

Um nome... Hum... Sem criatividade no momento. Gostei do teu blog!

Beijinhos

Joi, it's an interesting idea, but there's some potential for harm in this.

Addiction is a pretty serious thing, and the group could be opening itself up for problems. And a person being addicted to weblogging isn't that far off -- an addictive personality could just as easily transfer addiction to a group dependency, never dealing effectively with addiction.

Lastly, there is a real meme quality to this -- you just quit drinking, it seems like others have just talked about this too. But there have been people fighting addiction for decades. They talk about it quietly from time to time, and is the discussion in their spaces that become that much more personal.

It just seems, I don't know how to say this without seeming offensive, but it doesn't seem like a good thing to do. Almost a sad thing to do.

Interesting points Shelley. As Jonas points out, one of the ways that AA helps people deal with addiction to drinking is to replace the dopamine rush of drinking with the dopamine rush of being in a supportive group. It is using the religion and group button to help you get off of drinking. We are not going to cure obsessive-compulsive disorders or addictive personalities with this blog, but don't you think that being addicted to blogging or being addicted to a group of people is better than beening drunk all of the time?

Have you seen the recent comments on my "quit drinking" entry? I think a public forum could be helpful for many people.

Which brings be back to the name. Maybe a simple name that is easily searchable like the "quit drinking blog" is better than something "cute".

I think Shelly makes some good points but here's another perspective - a lot of people do what they do, or keep doing what they are doing because they don't know there's another option. If it hadn't been for "straight edge" music when I was growing up that put a name and face to the opinions I was coming up with on my own, I might not have ever known that there were other people who felt like I did. Today, I regularly met people who are genuinely shocked to find out I don't drink, it just doesn't click to them that it's possible for someone to do (or not do). For someone who wants to stop drinking, to find a group of people who don't drink is going to help them a zillion times more than trying to do it thinking they are the only one in the world. I think this is a case where strength in numbers holds some real validity. I really think a lot of people drink for the sole reason that "that's what people do" and the more people who learn that it isn't exactly like that the better.

Joi, you and Sean both have good points in return. In particular what Sean said about talking with other people who don't drink is a good one.

But Joi, any dependency is unhealthy. There is no good addiction, just some that are more socially acceptable then others.

And you are very recently come to your 'alcohol awareness'. I'm not sure how fully aware you are of the dangers of addiction and the addictive personality. I would suggest you talk to some experts first before you do another group thing. There is no rush for this, no reason you have do it now.

I'm right around the corner from almost 20 years of not drinking and I think there's no time like the present.

a potential name

hydra

- The many-headed monster that was slain by Hercules.

also

- A persistent or multifaceted problem that cannot be eradicated by a single effort.

Sean, you're focusing on non-drinking. I'm talking about people who have been on the streets, who have lost friends and family because of an addiction. Some of us have family members who are drunks or druggies, who have been all their lives, and that's about as bad.

I've also lost three close friends who overdosed from drugs. One was 20 years old.

Addiction isn't a meme, and there's no cute name for it.

shelly, I think "multi-author blog about resisting addiction" is very different than what you are talking about.

Yeah, I'm talking about real world, and you guys are talking about the make believe world of weblogging.

Sean, I'm talking about addiction. There is no variations on this.

Shelley, I really don't get what your problem is here.
We all know people with addictions, and we all have addictions. Be it smoking, drinking, watching TV, chocolate... whatever... Point is, talking about it never hurts. In fact, in most cases, the only thing that does work, and this is proven all through history, nevermind recent medical/sociological/psychological research, is talking about it.

What Joi wants to do here is have a place where a group of people can document, share and discuss their experience of quiting drinking - online, using a blog, for the benefit of anyone interested. He's not trying to define a clinical defintion for addicition or even directly treat anyone. He wants to talk about it.

p.s.: I have seen the worst of addiction, and by far the worst reaction to it is "it's not my place to say anything". Lost enough friends that way, thankyouverymuch.

Boris, because I read what Joi wrote:

"In my highly enlightened state this morning, I mused about the idea of a multi-author blog about resisting addiction. People could share their experience and we could also discuss the meta-issue of creating a network to support people who are trying to quit. I'm pretty set on getting this started today..."

Shelley. I understand the sensitivity to the statement above. I'll get down off my lofty motives from this morning and focus. How about a blog where people who have chosen to not drink can write about their experiences and share ideas. We will not be judgemental or negative about people who drink and we will focus on drinking and not addiction in general. Just a place to get started and focus what's already happening right now around me...

Hi guys. Joi asked me about this new blog idea earlier this evening right before I had to run over to a friend's house for dinner. The host, it ends up, has been in AA about 4 years and told me a lot about their experience tonight. The host loaned me the AA book and we had a long discussion about the famous serenity prayer:

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

We got very caught up on the word "accept" which I find full of resonance for me the longer I live.

I'll be writing about this. I love the idea of your blog Joi.

With your comments in mind Shelley, I've gone ahead and started a group blog and will focus on not drinking and not on addiction.

Joi-

Think about using Scoop for this, instead of MT or any of the other normal blogging systems. That way people will be able to post things freely, without it being limited to a handful of people. Also, with Scoop's comment voting system, the community will be able to police for abusive comments, one person won't have to just sit there are read through every comment (I think this is a more important point for this new site than most, since abusive comments will be a lot more personal than they are on most other sites.)

Just something to think about. (I am a huge fan of Scoop, afterall.)

Oh, and I will set it up for you, if you would like. I've set up a few Scoop sites before, and I have no problem doing it for free.

When will we give up "Not-drinking"? Addictions to non-productive, inert behaviors are still addictions. More posted in pa-2.blogspot.com

Willian,

I think it depends on the person. Some people have to think about "Not-drinking" every day and the addiction to not drinking is probably much healthier than the addiction to drinking. I think for some of us, we are in the "pink cloud" period where the euphoria of "Not-drinking" is still making us high. I have a feeling that not-drinking will become part of my every day experience and not something I obsess with, but who knows. I do think that this process of talking and thinking about not-drinking is something worth sharing to other people who would like to choose to not-drink. I apologize if this is boring to those of you who don't care or don't have a problem. That's why I set up a separate blog... So those of us who want to talk about it, can do so without interfering with the regularly scheduled programming.

I do not agree, however, that intentionally trying to stop thinking about not-drinking when one is trying to give up drinking is a viable alternative. I think it is a cute metaphysical thought, but only practical once you've finished taking the young woman you refer to across the river. Some people are still up to their eyeballs in the middle of the rapids.

Grant, I don't know much about scoop. Let me take a look at it...

Scoop is the engine that runs the Kuro5hin site. There is a submission queue and members vote on what will get posted to the front page. Neat system.

Sorry that link didn't work - http://kuro5hin.org

International Internet-Fre Day tries to remind people why logging off is a good idea:
http://www.globalideasbank.org/site/news/index.php?articleId=150

I think I can never stop drinking!

an absession is very like a non-obseesion - for example ppl who eat alot have an eating disorder and ppl who eat too much have an eating disorder. glutiny is one of the seven sins - eating too much is an example - can we say that this is an obsession/addiction to eat? is so the think abouth this - eating too little - i would call starvation (if it gets that far) - not eating is then an obsesion.

further example (in context to which everyone here is discussing) - obviously an abossion to drink is worst than an absession not to drink - but in terms of obsesion is there much difference? I dont see much variation in the point concerning drinking - an alcoholic is addicted to drinking, someone who has overcome these issues will be addicted to not drinking. It is still an addiction but on a latteral perspective! I have just had a heated debate with a collegue of mine about this - he is in the chemical proffession an I believe she refers too much to debatable facts with human nature and behaviours. Would anyone agree that an adiction can mean that you want (need pshycologically) is similar to the want (as before) of not doing something, i.e that you can become obbsessed/addicted with not drinking?

I'm not sure how fully aware you are of the dangers of addiction and the addictive personality. I would suggest you talk to some experts first before you do another group thing.
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