One thing that Yossi, our tour guide in Jerusalem, showed us that was interesting was all of the Jewish graves at the foot of Mount Olive. According to the Jewish scripture, the Messiah was to come to earth and those in the graves at the foot of the mountain would be the first to come back to life. The legend says that they would then go to the Temple of the Rock to be the first to pray there. The problem is, the front gate of the Temple of the Rock has been sealed and along the wall facing the Jewish graves is a whole section of Muslim graves. According to legend, the Sons of David can not enter these graves and would not be able to go directly to the Temple to pray. I'm sorry if I'm mangled the story or names, but this is what I understood from the explanation.

I can see how the Muslims might want to make it difficult for the first reborn Jewish to reach their Temple, but isn't intentionally putting Muslim graves in the way a sort of recognition that the Jewish Messiah is real? It seemed a bit contradictory to me.

Does anyone know anything else about this legend and this topography? It's quite interesting how the various religions in Jerusalem seemed to acknowledge each other's legends and prophets, but just believe their own more strongly... or maybe I'm missing something completely. If someone could shed some light, I would greatly appreciate it.

32 Comments

I am not a specialist on these matters.

As far as I know, Muslim acknowledge the bible and Jesus as a Prophet. But they put Mahomet (Muhammad) and the Coran at a higher rank.

A little bit of research gives you this:

Islam is a religion based upon the surrender to God who is One. The very name of the religion, ALISLAM in Arabic, means at once submission and peace, for it is in submitting to God's Will that human beings gain peace in their lives in this world and in the hereafter. The message of Islam concerns God, who in Arabic is called Allah, and it addresses itself to humanity's most profound nature. It concerns men and women as they were created by God--not as fallen beings. Islam therefore considers itself to be not an innovation but a reassertion of the universal truth of all revelation which is God's Oneness.

This truth was asserted by the prophets of old and especially by Abraham, the father of monotheism. Islam reveres all of these prophets including not only Abraham, who is the father of the Arabs as well as of the Jews, but also Moses and Christ. The Prophet and Messenger of God, Muhammad--may peace and blessings be upon him, his family and his companions--, was the last of this long lime of prophets and Islam is the last religion until the Day of Judgement. It is the final expression of the Abrahamic tradition. One should in fact properly speak of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition. One should in fact properly speak of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition, for Islam shares with the other Abrahamic religions their sacred history, the basic ethical teachings contained in the Ten Commandments and above all, belief in the One God. And it renews and repeats the true beliefs of Jews and Christians whose scriptures are mentioned as divinely revealed books in Islam's own sacred book, the Quran.

If you read it you'll see: Abraham was the father of Jews and of Muslims.
So it is very likely that Muslims recognize Jews, since it is mentioned in both their 'bibles'

Christians recognize Jews because Jezus was a jew. So many of the traditions are coming from the same past.

In fact Muslims, Jews and Christians recognize their god as one and the same.
Only the interpretation is different.
Saying this: not many know that the God Bush calls is the same of the Muslims...

More can be found here:http://www.templemount.org/islamiad.html
Or by googling muslim religion and origin.

-Ps I have lived in Israel + Palestinian Territories for 2 years, To bad I was in Belgium when you were in the Holy Land, otherwise we could have sit together on this fascinating world.

Oh forgot to mention:
Jews for example belive that Jezus was a prophet, but not the son of God. -So not the Messiah they are waiting for-

Same thing with the Muslims: they believe in similar prophets.
Muslims recognize Mozes and Christ as a prophet...

It is quite a difficult religion to understand, but mainly it preaches one god and has many good aspects.
But as in every religion the power takes over and the holy scripts are interpret in a total different way.
Christians do it, Muslims do it, and Jews stick to ancient scripts to claim their promised land...

So we are far away from any solution...

The above is pretty much true. It's probably easiest to think of Islam as a "meta-religion"-- it did not begin with the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but has been with humanity since its inception. The religion is monotheistic, meaning there is ultimately one Truth (God) which envelopes us all. All other major religions are thus not seen as completely false, but as at least partially valid-- they all derive from the same Source, differing mainly in the degree to which they have been fragmented and distorted by fallible human beings. Every nation has been sent a prophet who brings Truth and there are over 124,000 prophets in all, most of them now unknown to us. Adam, Eve, Abraham, Jesus, Mary, Noah, etc. are all explicitly considered "Muslim" prophets. (This doesn't preclude calling Abraham or Jesus (for example) Jews; that label is acceptable as well since the terms are to be considered synonymous during their lifetime.) Some of the other great religious figures are also implicitly considered to be amongst Muslim prophets, as this passage from Cambridge theologian T.J. Winter explains:

In China, mosques look very like traditional Chinese garden-temples, except that there is a prayer hall without idols, and the calligraphy is Qur'anic. In some of the most beautiful, you will find, as you enter, the following words in Chinese inscribed on a tablet:
Sages have one mind and the same truth. In all parts of the world, sages arise who possess this uniformity of mind and truth. Muhammad, the Great Sage of the West, lived in Arabia long after Confucius, the Sage of China. Though separated by ages and countries, they had the same mind and Truth.

In keeping with the "meta" approach, all humans (including you) are considered be born in a state of Islam: i.e., of a pure nature, living in accordance with the ultimate Truth. It's only as we get older and are distracted by worldly concerns do we stray from Truth.

Today is Eid Al-Fitr, by the way-- one of the two holiest days on the Muslim calendar, marking the end of the month of fasting. Eid Mubarak!

For more, see: Kabir Helminski or the excellent University of Georgia Islam Website.

One thing common across the history of religions is that religious communities build upon earlier religious communities. While that can be taken metaphorically, it's also specifically literal: later communities literally build (on the land, on the graves, on the structures of) earlier communities.

At the very least, the newer community being associated with the holy places of the older one has been like a method of authentication whereby the newer community binds itself to the authenticity (= source of spiritual power = specific land) of the older one.

Now, how the newer communities perceive their relationship to the older ones in these kinds of situations is totally all over the map. A newer community may perceive that it's honoring the older one (e.g., aligning them to the newer revelation, or, keeping the older spiritual power alive in the new community), or it may specifically be trying to denigrate the older one (e.g., they didn't accept the new Law, and now they will pay for it for eternity).

In any case, the more ancient the religion, the harder it is to understand these kinds of situations as a specific historical story, because they aren't documented events in the modern sense. What happened could be reflective of a whole community or faith, or it could be reflective of a couple people with money and their own (often, political) agenda.

The God of Bush (as far as I know, cos I'm not Bush) is not Allah. The God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is not Allah. Also, Messianic Jews believe Jesus is the coming Messiah

"In keeping with the "meta" approach, all humans (including you) are considered be born in a state of Islam: i.e., of a pure nature, living in accordance with the ultimate Truth. It's only as we get older and are distracted by worldly concerns do we stray from Truth."

It is my understanding that this is a misinterpretation of the Scripture "become as little children". Children cannot drive cars, for example, tho some 5-year-olds have to li'l avail...;-)

"In any case, the more ancient the religion, the harder it is to understand these kinds of situations as a specific historical story, because they aren't documented events in the modern sense. What happened could be reflective of a whole community or faith, or it could be reflective of a couple people with money and their own (often, political) agenda."

I recall Ram Dass nee Richard Alpert write that Scripture speaks simultaneously on more than one level.

I do not know and am no scholar of these things, however, did randomly open to p. 373 of Penguin Classics translation by N.J. Dawood ($1.65 back in the day...;-)...:

From the Surrya (sp?) Women:

" Because of their iniquity, We borebade the Jews good things which were formerly allowed them; because time after time they have debarred others from the path of Allah because they practise usury - although they were forbidden it - and cheat others of their possessions. We have prepared a stern chastisement for those of them that disbelieve. But those of them that have a deep learning and those that turly believe in what has been reveled to you and to other prophets before you; who attend to their praryers and pay the alms-tax and have faith in Allah and the Last Day - these shall be richly rewarded.

We have revealed Our will to you as We revealed it to Noah and to the prophets who came after him; as We revealed it to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and David, to whom We gave the Psalms. Of some apostles We have already told you (how Allah spoke directly to Moses); but there are others whom We have not yet spoken; apostles who brought good news to mankind and admonished them, so that they might have no plea against Allah after their coming. Allah is mighty and wise."

A couple paragraphs before that, p. 372:

" They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. They declared: 'We have put to death the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah.' They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did."

I've also enjoyed the A.J. Arberry translation, for one reason because it's in the traditional order... But mainly the introduction, which stated al Qu'ran is impossible TO translate fully, as it was intended to be heard. Minor detail to geeks, of course...;-D

Anyhoo, no scholar, so no interpretations at this time.

But President Bush stated, for a fact, that (approx) "he is PRESIDENT of people of all Faiths including the Muslim Faith."

PLEASE EXCUSE the previous IGNORANCE (and haste), and for full disclosure that wuz a couple/few weeks back when I'd last had/taken time for the kind of "leisure reading" I used to enjoy more often.


I do not know and am no scholar of these things, however, did randomly open to p. 373 of Penguin Classics translation by N.J. Dawood ($1.65 back in the day...;-)...:

~~~
~~
~

From the Surrya (sp?) Women:

" Because of their iniquity, We forebade the Jews good things which were formerly allowed them; because time after time they have debarred others from the path of Allah because they practise usury - although they were forbidden it - and cheat others of their possessions. We have prepared a stern chastisement for those of them that disbelieve. But those of them that have a deep learning and those that truly believe in what has been revealed to you and to other prophets before you; who attend to their prayers and pay the alms-tax and have faith in Allah and the Last Day - these shall be richly rewarded.

We have revealed Our will to you as We revealed it to Noah and to the prophets who came after him; as We revealed it to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and David, to whom We gave the Psalms. Of some apostles We have already told you (how Allah spoke directly to Moses); but there are others whom We have not yet spoken; apostles who brought good news to mankind and admonished them, so that they might have no plea against Allah after their coming. Allah is mighty and wise."

A couple paragraphs before that, p. 372:

" They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. They declared: 'We have put to death the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah.' They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did."

~
~~
~~~

I guess I would add this interpretation, there are many, Many, MANY "Jews" in the sense used above. Also have read some who hold the view that those who spend more time reading the likes of the above than in actual Prayer suffer "a theft from the left-hand side", I think Ram Dass and others called it. Iow, mere intellectual improvement, over what is important.

I also shouldn'ta omitted the paragraph in between these two quotes:

" Those that disagreed about him were in doubt concerning his death, for what they knew about it was sheer conjecture; they were not sure that they had slain him. Allah lifted him up to His presence; He is mighty and wise. There is none among the People of the Book but will believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them."

Arberry has:

(155)

"and for their unbelief, and their uttering
against Mary a mighty calumny,
and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah,
Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God'--
yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him,
only a likeness of that was shown to them.
Those who are at variance concerning him surely
are in doubt regarding him; they have no knowledge
of him, except the following of surmise;
and they slew him not of a certainty--
no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is
All-mighty, All-wise.
There is not one of the People of the Book
but will assuredly believe in him before his
death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be
a witness against them."

~~~

Who has time for proper understanding of these mysteries, let alone Prayer these days...? Not me, I'm afraid...

If only the original scriptures were copyrighted indefinately. We'd be saved from all the wars, suffering and hatred caused by these derivative works!

Actually, an Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike license would have been perfect, since we'd have no trouble traceing back up to the original attributed author. ;)

How different would the world be do you think, if the three religions - islam, judaism and christianity focused on their similarities instead of their differences? Which reminds me of an old article from the comic publication The Onion which was put out just after 9/11. I have copied and pasted a section from it below:
Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to kill in what He called "an unending cycle of violence."...
"I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important," said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and Muslim traditions. "I guess I figured I'd left no real room for confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I get?"...
"But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know, somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,'" God continued. "It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will' equals 'Don't murder people.'"...
Growing increasingly wrathful, God continued: "Can't you people see? What are you, morons? There are a ton of different religious traditions out there, and different cultures worship Me in different ways. But the basic message is always the same: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shintoism... every religious belief system under the sun, they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks! It's not that hard a concept to grasp."
They say truth makes the best comedy....


You know, it was only a movie, but there was a line in Ghandi that has stuck with me since I first saw it about 20 years ago:

Ghandi, speaking to Walker: "The temple where you were yesterday is of my family's sect, the Pranami. It was Hindu of course but the priests used to read from the Muslim Koran and the Hindu Gita, moving from one to the other as though it mattered not at all which book was read as long as God was worshipped."

Seems kind of relevant to this dicussion....

Having also recently returned from Israel I was interested to see the famed Al-Asqa mosque, the third most holy site in the Islamic faith and the site of Mohammed's ascension into heaven. There has been a lot of fighting over this Mosque in the past and in recent times. Muslims see it as a claim to their piece of Jerusalem.

Except, Mohammed never actually ascended from there. He actually died in Medina and made an, ahem, "night journey" to ascend at the Mosque. All that trouble from an imaginary visit...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock

"they all say you're supposed to love your neighbors, folks!"

Do you feel the love or the hypocrisy in those statements, because they all do NOT say "love your neighbors", unfortunately.

Mark, can I assume you don't happen to be Muslim. Can I also see you have no experience of Islam?

Btw, I saw a post over at BarlowFriendz I think that in 1500 years the entire human race will be uniformly brown. And heard long while back at bar I used to hang out at 150 years.

Point is, 9-11 is the RESULT of this new-age "we're all one religion/culture/economy/govt/etc" crap.

That is what CAUSED 9-11, so I'm afraid the dreamers can dream on of Universal Harmony.. but thaz only so long as they don't HAVE any neighbors who think, look or feel much differently than they do.

Subtle point, and you'd hafta be pretty fur along in your understanding of your Religion before you can start claiming the "all is One". WAY further along than most-all people who do, if you observe them 24/7, aTALL closely.

Anon, you mebbe should take it up with a lawyer like Dr. Larry Lessig...;-D

Oh, and I'll skip the wikipedia for any knowledge of any kind, putrid shit that it's bound to end up...;-D

Wikipedia IS a good way to CONTROL and REWRITE history, of course.

Also, my recollection of a book called _12 Against The Gods_ was that Mohammed had attempted to unite with either Judaism and/or Christianity, but the leaders of that time would have no truck with him.

Who's to say ibn Said would have been what he was, had Mohammed not formed Muslim Religion? Who's to say Stephen Hawkings would be what he is, had he been born with the body of Arnold Swartzenegger...

What if...

?

Ahhhhhhhhh and baaaaaaaah, iow.


Don't know details of a lotta this, but STILL wouldn't trust anything in the wikipedia on the subject.

I'm surprised that no one so far has actually answered Joi's basic question:

"...isn't intentionally putting Muslim graves in the way a sort of recognition that the Jewish Messiah is real? It seemed a bit contradictory to me."

No knowledge of the religions involved is required to show that there is a simpler explanation that involves no contradiction.

If I want to make you really angry, and I know you are a very religious person, then the simplest method to push you is to do something that your religion says would be akin to peeing on your grave. It doesn't matter what *I* think is really offensive. It matters what you think is offensive. I mean, if I believed that jumping up and down yelling "ni" was like calling you out to a duel, it wouldn't stop you from laughing at the idiocy of the scene.

@Sugoi: Both the Pope and the Qur'an (as well as George W. Bush himself, if that matters to You) acknowledge that Christians and Muslims pray to the same god.

الله ("Allah") is the Arabic word for "God", contracted from الإله ("al-ilah"), which means "the (one) god", not a name for the Muslims' god in particular. Arabic Christians also use "Allah", while Muslims in Iran, for example, often use the Persian word خدا ("Khoda") instead.

Abraham, Isaac & Jacob would have used the Hebrew word אלוה ("Eloah"). In his famous last words "Ηλι ηλι λεμα σαβαχθανι" (Matthew 27:46), Jesus used the word "El" from his native tongue, Aramaic. Obiviously, both are much closer to Arabic "Allah" than to English "God" (Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic all being related, Semitic languages).

Therefore, the idea that "Christians pray to God, Muslims to Allah" is an ignorant (albeit widespread) misconception in the West.

Perhaps Occam's Razor applies in this respect:

"If I want to make you really angry, and I know you are a very religious person, then the simplest method to push you is to do something that your religion says would be akin to peeing on your grave."

That would be the essence of how communities, as well as parents and siblings as well, use anger to control others. Religion has little to do with it.

Now as to the motivations of those who buried the dead, I am not familiar. As far as the specific contradiction Joi Ito spoke of, there was none.. so that question was answered a multitude of times. So you, being half-blind, apparently answered to prove your own "vision" for what it is, presumed-to-be-young man...

You have any questions, young "snip-snap"? My Religion is Atheism, in case you were wondering. Or rather, I was raised that way, and have posted on many occasions I am half-Atheist.


Thank you, Björn. However:

"Therefore, the idea that 'Christians pray to God, Muslims to Allah' is an ignorant (albeit widespread) misconception in the West."

I understand, I believe, your pov. Would just pause here for a momenting to point out that who/what/why One prays to/with One would also be a question of pov kind-a thingee...

Afaik.


[in gassho]

Bjorn - thank you for your theology bites. May I point out that there are distinct differences between Islam & Christianity on the major points of faith. Just because 2 groups use the same name "God" doesnt mean they are reffering to the same thing.

He didn't say that there aren't any differences between the religions, but that the Jewish, Christian and Islamic God are one and the same. If you were familiar with the three religions, you would know that to be fact.

Beyond that, however, is of course where the faiths diverge.

I have studied these three religions. They are not the same God. Christianity considers Jesus to be the Son of God, the Lamb for the sacrifice & Islam says he was a good man, a Prophet if he was lucky. Surely, God didnt change his view on His Son. If they were the same God, then God would have a problem with his own identity. If they were, then there wouldnt be a problem around the world regarding this issue. So all of the death & violence that has occurred has all been in the Name of the same God? Don't think so! There are deeper issues than just those of land, money, oil etc - it is spiritual too. Thanks but I know the facts & I know the Truth

I am not a scholar, as I said, and I would butcher the following phrase before I start in on the discussion of one anonymous "Sugoi"...

"There are 18,000 unique and different experiences of Satori, but only one True Satori."

- dunno, apologize

"I have studied these three religions. They are not the same God. Christianity considers Jesus to be the Son of God, the Lamb for the sacrifice & Islam says he was a good man, a Prophet if he was lucky. Surely, God didnt change his view on His Son. If they were the same God, then God would have a problem with his own identity."

"His"...? "his"...!?! "identity"...?!?

Who did you study FROM, besides yourself I mean? Name the name of your Greatest Teachers in this regard, if you would have something of benefit to share on this matter.

Even more, what are in your experience, the greatest METHODS of practice, as that should be easy to distinguish between intellectual semi-knowledge of the subject matter!

"If they were, then there wouldnt be a problem around the world regarding this issue. So all of the death & violence that has occurred has all been in the Name of the same God? Don't think so!"

You would corn-fuse the issues of a Religion, and a culture, and how each effects the EXPRESSION of the other, assuming they'd be two different "things" to begin with, of course!


"There are deeper issues than just those of land, money, oil etc"

So apparently you have an understanding of where the violence PRIMARILY comes as a result from.

" - it is spiritual too."

If you consider the root word of hashish, and consider that to be a person of that kind be a "spiritual assassin" (or is hashish the root word of assassin?).. anyhoo, I don't. (Btw, I've tried hashish back in the day, and it does not (repeat NOT!) make one into an assassin.)

"Thanks but I know the facts & I know the Truth"

Ah! I'm wasting my time then, I should be looking elsewhere for answers to questions...;-)

Iow, once the Truth is known, there'd already be no POINT TO a discussion of any kind... Afaik.

Just jerkin the chain of those who "know", including our so-far gracious host...;-D

Who always has the option of "ethic cleansing" of the kind his buddies do around Blogaria... Meaning, I've lost so many posts over at BarlowFriendz, Jay Rosen's PressThoughtlessness and JOHOHOHOHO that I've lost count. And lost a couple here a long while back that I'm intentionally 'forgetting' about as we 'speak'...;-D

There's an excellent book on the subject called "Jerusalem: One City, Three Faiths" by Karen Armstrong.

J. Toran asked if I have any questions. In regards to other comments discussing whether the god that the various religions worship is one and the same, I have only one question. Why does this matter? It doesn't. All that matters is how we treat one another, and on this point all the religions are quite clear. But this is not the place to engage in a lengthy discussion on the point. It is also not a place I thought I would see someone write:

> So you, being half-blind, apparently answered to prove your own "vision" for what it is, presumed-to-be-young man... You have any questions, young "snip-snap"?

Presumptive person, lose the attitude. You didn't provide any email address to respond privately, or I would not waste this page's space to respond here. I never thought I'd see someone posting here in such a disrespectful tone. This is a conversation, so try to imagine you are actually engaging in one with another human being.

Apologies to all. I shoulda stuck to topic. Pardon my ignorance but what is a "snip snap"?

"Presumptive person, lose the attitude. You didn't provide any email address to respond privately, or I would not waste this page's space to respond here. I never thought I'd see someone posting here in such a disrespectful tone. This is a conversation, so try to imagine you are actually engaging in one with another human being."

Started another reply, but PC "wiggin' out"... I had figured out that there were two human beings have a public pen-pal exchange. Iow, the trapazoidal opposite of a conversation, if you observe.

That said (and to be redundant, perhaps...;-)... perhaps I'm mis-"hearing" (iow, misreading) the tone in your reply?

Hi Joy and you all!

As I told you, I was in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv exactly when you were there, last week. I think that you question is more about society than religion. Jerusalem is a place where all religious differences melt or look artificial, because all those different civilizations live so close to one another. (Huntington should spend some time in Jerusalem, by the way!). But different social groups are also well organized to compete with each other, in order not to loose people and ground in favour of the others: and that's what you saw... (I guess I should add that's only my view :-).

I saw another think (did you also notice?):

The day Arafat was dead, the Cnn hadn't given the news yet but people in the Arab part of the old city were putting Arafat's pictures at their shops' windows... The social network was, again, faster than traditional media!

Luca De Biase, bloggin from Italy

Excuse me please...

Are you the same Luca Da Biase that I thought was the FICTIONAL character in the semi-FICTIONAL MOVIE, Godfather I... The one who ended up unfortunately since he "sleeps with the fishes"...?!? THAT WAS FICTION, RIGHT?!?

Haha!

Anyhoo... I've never been to Jerusalem. I have a niece that was going to a few years back, but there was too much violence. I am neither for or against violence, btw, as each case of whatever is a case by case thingee, afaik.

Figuring when violence is self-defense being the crux of most issues, as well as figuring when violence is "too violent".. not to mention what violence is allowed against self-in-form-of-group and what is allowed against "The Other".

"Turn the other cheek" on all occasions never happens, afaik.. in life anyhoo... But using that as a political weapon i find to be THE most despicable actions of the vicious and/or the stupid...

(I haven't checked trackbacks, but Open Source particular Linux is a very violent Religion, if you observe. As I just explained to Dan Gillmor, a "bit or two"...;-)

And "You are who you know" used to be spit on because thaz the fundamentals of "the good ole-boy-and-gurlfren-network".

Anyhoo, point in writing mainly is this:

"The social network was, again, faster than traditional media!"

Actually, there was a group of PRopaganda artists from the PRess calling themselves REporters who are basically bloggers who "clean up nice".. They asked President Bush, first PRess conference after the election (iirc, and I believe I do), (approx) "what is your view of Mr. Arafat's death".

This pre-dated the "win" by the social network by almost a week, as Mr. Arafat was not dead at the time. Shows the scruples.. At the same time, this "bloggers do news better than the PRess" is even MORE FALSE.

It's a good way to sell blogging, tho' to get new cult-members.

(JayT)

~~~

Ito-san I believe you and yer friendz call yourself, I hate to be an ungracious commenter, and wish to express my appreciation of your gracious hosting... However, we are not friends nor lovers, so all's fair, right?

Iow, why does your blogging software REQUIRE an email address, if it does not display it? And why is the preview so HOSED and the Remember Me functioning SO forgetful...?

semi-;-D...?

Wrt "Open Source Religion" from "bupoc/weblog"...

I'm no.. uhhhhhh.. art critic nor a scholar as I've "said"... I'm real lazy, too, or I'd look up that post I started last night. PC still whiggin' out tho..

All that to say, that was pretty hilarious to me, and semi-factually correct infotainment as well!! (Iow, well done, assuming it's not intended to be very close, which you stated at the git-go...)

However, on a couple technical points..

I've been posting for some 3 or 4 or so years now, (never wrote in public prior (with 1 exception)) and most of that has been to point out that releasing crap early is THE OPPOSITE of good programming-or-anything-else methodology.

Yes, I understand something of the first-to-market advantages, but crap is still crap even if pracklee nobody knows it IS crap, right?


Iow, "close but no cigar, but some were closer to being a cigar than others..."

- Groucho Marxist...;-D

I've just briefly been reading some of the discussion on whether or not Christians Jews and Muslims are actually praying to the same God.

I feel that the question really is ... Is ONE of these three religions the ultimate 'truth' or 'correct' religion, and does God therefore accept ONLY the worship and prayers of people who believe that ONE religion?

I cant believe in a God like that... if there is a God, I believe listens to the prayers of anyone, from any religion, He/She/It is there for anyone who seeks He/She/It.

Different religions and beliefs are just different interpretations (of God, life, the universe and everything...etc :P ) I hope that this doesnt sound too corny. If any one is interested, Leo Tolstoy wrote some great short stories that describe this concept really well. :)

Leave a comment

2 TrackBacks

Listed below are links to blogs that reference this entry: The graves in Jerusalem.

TrackBack URL for this entry: http://joi.ito.com/MT-4.35-en/mt-tb.cgi/3032

"Release early, release often." (disclaimer: many of the facts - names of cultures, places, people and dates - are not terribly known to me. I am not a scholar, I'm a hobbyist.) There exists a fantastic Open Source project... Read More

About this Archive

This page is an archive of recent entries in the Business and the Economy category.

Books is the previous category.

Computer and Network Risks is the next category.

Find recent content on the main index.

Monthly Archives