We've posted a summary of the Creative Commons Board Meeting held 13-14 of December, 2008 on the CC Wiki. Highlights included the CC Network, progress with the Free Software Foundation with respect to CC and the GFDL, CC0, integration with additional tools such as Picasa, the "Defining Noncommercial" study, partnership with the Eurasian Foundation, the fall fund-raising campaign, website updates, updates from Science Commons and ccLearn and the launch of four new jurisdictions - Romania, Hong Kong, Guatemala and Singapore.
6 Comments
Leave a comment
Search
About this Entry
This page contains a single entry by Joi published on January 14, 2009 4:34 AM.
Al Jazeera Launches Creative Commons Repository was the previous entry in this blog.
Congratulations America and thanks for bringing CC to the White House is the next entry in this blog.
Find recent content on the main index.
Recent Posts
- 7 Things You Probably Didn't Know About Me
- New twhirl looks great
- Response to Colbert/Lessig remix challenge
- 2008 Dopplr Personal annual report
- Congratulations America and thanks for bringing CC to the White House
- Summary of December 13-14, 2008 CC Board Meeting
- Al Jazeera Launches Creative Commons Repository
- Lessig on the Colbert Report
- NIN's CC-Licensed Best-Selling MP3 Album
- Moving to Dubai
Tag Cloud
Categories
- Activism (77)
- Advanced Science (9)
- Art (53)
- BitTorrent (1)
- Blogging about Blogging (501)
- Books (64)
- Business and the Economy (19)
- CPSR (4)
- Computer and Network Risks (26)
- Consumer Electronics (22)
- Cool Web Sites (81)
- Creative Commons (151)
- Dashboard (1)
- Eating and Cooking (40)
- Ecology (12)
- Economics (39)
- Email (18)
- Emergent Democracy (111)
- Energy (13)
- Flash (5)
- Gadgets (88)
- Games (35)
- Gender (10)
- Global Politics (113)
- Global Voices (39)
- Hardware (13)
- Health and Medicine (95)
- Heckling (46)
- Human Rights (19)
- Humor (164)
- ICANN (50)
- IM (2)
- IRC (47)
- Identity (15)
- Information and Media (60)
- Intellectual Property (124)
- Internet Policy (13)
- Introspective (79)
- Japanese Culture (123)
- Japanese National ID (29)
- Japanese Policy (97)
- Japanese Politics (50)
- Joi's Diary (656)
- Joicards (4)
- LOAF (15)
- Leadership and Entrepreneurship (21)
- Marketing (36)
- Media and Journalism (165)
- Moblogging (47)
- Movies (45)
- Mozilla (13)
- Music (103)
- Neoteny (20)
- Network Technology (51)
- Open Source Software (13)
- People (21)
- Photo (155)
- Podcasts (17)
- Privacy (104)
- Python Fun (18)
- Reforming Japanese Democracy (28)
- Religion (29)
- SARS (12)
- Salon (1)
- Search (51)
- Second Life (6)
- Sharing Economy (23)
- Six Apart (11)
- Social Software (116)
- Socialtext (5)
- Software (81)
- Technology Controversy (68)
- Technorati (26)
- US Policy and Politics (204)
- Venture Capital (17)
- Video (33)
- VoIP (12)
- Warblogging (101)
- Wiki (64)
- Wireless and Mobile (112)
- World of Warcraft (19)
Monthly Archives
- June 2009 (1)
- May 2009 (4)
- April 2009 (8)
- March 2009 (5)
- February 2009 (4)
- January 2009 (10)
- December 2008 (23)
- November 2008 (14)
- October 2008 (10)
- September 2008 (11)
- August 2008 (13)
- July 2008 (18)
- June 2008 (16)
- May 2008 (6)
- April 2008 (5)
- March 2008 (4)
- February 2008 (10)
- January 2008 (10)
- December 2007 (13)
- November 2007 (8)
- October 2007 (11)
- September 2007 (14)
- August 2007 (9)
- July 2007 (14)
- June 2007 (14)
- May 2007 (13)
- April 2007 (23)
- March 2007 (19)
- February 2007 (14)
- January 2007 (13)
- December 2006 (20)
- November 2006 (12)
- October 2006 (5)
- September 2006 (10)
- August 2006 (7)
- July 2006 (8)
- June 2006 (20)
- May 2006 (14)
- April 2006 (10)
- March 2006 (17)
- February 2006 (17)
- January 2006 (20)
- December 2005 (23)
- November 2005 (45)
- October 2005 (37)
- September 2005 (28)
- August 2005 (37)
- July 2005 (37)
- June 2005 (29)
- May 2005 (48)
- April 2005 (55)
- March 2005 (44)
- February 2005 (37)
- January 2005 (43)
- December 2004 (57)
- November 2004 (79)
- October 2004 (85)
- September 2004 (62)
- August 2004 (78)
- July 2004 (77)
- June 2004 (61)
- May 2004 (72)
- April 2004 (56)
- March 2004 (76)
- February 2004 (74)
- January 2004 (94)
- December 2003 (71)
- November 2003 (69)
- October 2003 (72)
- September 2003 (71)
- August 2003 (59)
- July 2003 (65)
- June 2003 (60)
- May 2003 (53)
- April 2003 (79)
- March 2003 (106)
- February 2003 (71)
- January 2003 (68)
- December 2002 (56)
- November 2002 (54)
- October 2002 (73)
- September 2002 (50)
- August 2002 (61)
- July 2002 (32)
- June 2002 (12)
- May 2002 (1)
- April 2002 (2)
- December 2001 (1)
- October 2001 (1)
- July 2001 (1)
- February 2001 (1)
- January 2001 (1)
- December 2000 (1)
- November 2000 (1)
- October 2000 (1)
- September 2000 (1)
- August 2000 (1)
- July 2000 (1)
- June 2000 (1)
- May 2000 (1)
- April 2000 (2)
- March 2000 (1)
- February 2000 (1)
- January 2000 (1)
- December 1999 (1)
- November 1999 (1)
- October 1999 (1)
- September 1999 (3)
- April 1999 (1)
- February 1999 (5)
- January 1999 (2)
- December 1998 (2)
- October 1998 (1)
- August 1998 (7)
- November 1997 (1)
- October 1997 (1)
- June 1997 (1)
- April 1997 (1)
- October 1996 (1)
- October 1995 (1)
- June 1995 (1)
- May 1995 (1)
- March 1995 (2)
- November 1994 (1)
- July 1993 (2)
![Joi Ito [logo]](/_site/img/joi-ito-logo-92x.png)



And nothing about clarifying what a commercial website constitutes and nothing about clarifying how media embeds are protected by CC. You guys need to do something about these very pressing questions as more and more people start to worry that their CC NC content is just used and abused by advertisment sites who make money and then claim "we are not commercial" or "embeds do not fall under any copyright" this makes CC license quite useless in the internet world and people have been waiting for a clear message on these things for the CC foundation for a VERY long time now. Everyone thought this is why you are having this quite ridiculously generic questionary a month ago.
Don´t understand me wrong I love CC but there needs to be some leadership on really pressing issues from the foundation if it wants to stay relevant in the future.
The "Defining Noncommercial" is about clarifying what a commercial website constitutes. Our RDFa work with the W3C is about building into the next version of XHTML/HTML a way to annotate each object on a web page with the proper license and attribution and this should solve the embed issue. For now, it's best to annotate it visibly and use things like, "unless otherwise noted, the content is..."
Yes but is there any progress and what is the proposed way forward and when can we expect a clarification? An additional license for "ad supported" websites?
Great news on the embed issue - is there any more information and nitty gritty details of this proposal anywhere?
Here's information on RDFa: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/RDFa
As for "ad supported" website. For now, the best reference is the license itself.
The license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
Relevant text of section 4.b:
"Primarily intended" is the key. So a copy shop charging people to copy works is not selling the work so that's OK. Generally speaking, ads that support the infrastructure are kind of like a copy shop fee. It enables the sharing. So just because a site has ads, doesn't necessarily mean that the use is primarily intended for commercial advantage. For instance, I don't think most blogs are written primarily for commercial advantage. I realize there is a gray zone, but ads or no ads is not the "trigger" for categorizing something as non-commercial or no.
We are working on a study to get an idea of what the rest of the world feels is non-commercial and when people feel "exploited" to inform our process in trying to make this less of an issue. However, it appears generally to be split - that some people feels ads are "exploitive" and others not. The problem with making yet ANOTHER license or tag for "yes / no for ads" is that it adds complexity which we try as much as possible to avoid... but we are working on this.
Thank you for the explanation of your view and the link to the RDFa spec.
As for the commerciality problem:
I am on the hardcore side - thats why I am asking - had long discussions about this over the past years with lawyers, netactivists, content creators and normal people. I am coming from a content creation standpoint and I am absolutely positive that if people choose "non commercial" they also mean "no ad supported websites" because the gray area is actually quite dark grey as "infrastructure" can be considered widely. For example musician friends who publish pretty much exclusively under creative commons have found that their songs are on a LOT of blogs that are doing nothing else then collecting "free" CC licensed music - these blogs have no additional content and are full of ads - hence they are generating a revenue - he has written some of the people demanding that they take their music down - because they do not want anybody generating money with what they create they just want to share it freely. The answer is almost always the same "we are a not generating profit we just run the site" after further asking they admit that they pay staff and their own life with some of the revenue but they say no money is left over at the end of the month making them "non profit".
You see this is a BIG problem - I am aware of the questionary the CC foundation did and took part but the questions were at point in my opinion very misleading and some extremely redundand and didn´t really get to the point - namely that people are earning money with other peoples work - not making a profit per se but making money nonetheless. With all the discussions I had the only viable solution anyone came up with is an addition tag to the CC license that excludes ad sites.
The big problem is that the people who are benefiting from gray zone the most are those having big blogs already so they influence the discussion heavely - from people who are in that field you get only the answer "oh its fine as it is no clarification needed" the serious content producers (the guys from the example above have at the moment the most downloaded CC song in germany - ever) are all in agreement that as long as there is a gray zone it will be exploited and nobody has the time, energy or money to go to court about each and every breach if it is a gray area and in the end you might even loose against the sharlatans that rip of your work doing nothing else then posting a freaking link - sometimes work you have produces over month´s.
CC should take side formost with the content creators, then next with the end users and only last should it consider the distribution channel because that is most commercial in the chain and that is also the link that would benefit most from "gray".
I hope you might consider this comment in your thought process. I would gladly give more opinion from the content producers perspective if there is a place and need for that as I have been following this problem for quite some time and there is clearly dissent in the artist community - some seriously considering moving back to normal copyright shemes because CC does not offer them enough protection - which would undo a lot of the work of the CC foundation and would be a real shame.
fALk: First of all, I'd be happy to take a formal comment from you and include it in the input to our study which is still ongoing.
Yes, one solution would be to add the "ads" choice and it is still being considered at some level, but we're trying hard to find a solution without using it.
The problem with coming down strictly against all kinds of ads or even "people making money" is that most are not really "sharlatans" trying to rip off content. People who are distributing free books in developing nations often have to pay for people and materials to get books to school. They need to charge something for this service. Many if not all public benefit organizations are underfunded and need sponsorship and ads to run. In many countries, there is no official "no profit status" and it begins to get very sketchy when you try to designation organizations by their legal status.
If you could send me information, maybe by email, of specific examples of where you see people being exploited by abusive interpretations of the non-commercial license, this would be very helpful. We are not giving "influential" bloggers and any particular class of people more say in our discussions and we always try to take a balanced approach that we hope provides the most benefit to everyone, the creators obviously being the key stake holder.