- Wikis as public spaces
- Wikis and Multiculturalism
- Wikis as Creative Software
- Wikis as Political Software
- Wikis as Social Software
- Wiki as Tool
- MoinMoin and This Wiki
- Wiki Editorial Style
- Thoughts about Wikis versus Blogs and WikiLogs
- Do Wikis Lead to GroupThink?
- Are Wikis Ugly?
Wikis as public spaces
So, wikis are more like public spaces than blogs. Should I reduce my "ego" on this page? I would like to make it easy for people to put stuff here. Having said that, I am the custodian so it should be clear that I have some editorial control / responsibility. - JoiIto
FWIW, I've had a personal wiki for a couple of years and have also struggled to find the same balance. I think the most important thing is to remember that nosey wikiphiles (that's me ;-)) will just arrive unnannounced and put stuff in the middle of your pages. Make the place as much yours as you want, people that understand wikis will know what to do. -- AdamShand
Hi Adam! Actually, I had just visited your Wiki and it was inspirational on the "ego" issue. What a coincidence! Nice to meet you. -- JoiIto
I'm curious what impression my site made on you, I don't often get the chace to have a fresh point of view. The biggest concern I've had has been when to refactor other peoples comments. For example you probably don't want or need this conversation on your front page indefinately ... but what do you do with it once the conversation is over? -- Adam
I liked the look. It made me want to dig into MoinMoin and try to figure out more of the features. I already have a blog so I'm interested in how Wiki's and blogs can be integrated. Blog entries spawning Wiki pages seems logical. So does having Wiki Pages for the various blog categories. I guess one problem is keeping comments consolidated. As you say, I guess we need to archive these discussions somewhere. Blogs seem better at dealing with discussions and archives for such linear things... -- JoiIto
Yep, blogs are definitely better at linear conversations, but the persistant knowledgebase that wiki's offer is more important to me. I'm hoping that adding TrackBacks and links backs to MoinMoin won't be too hard which will help wiki's participate in blogspace. Anyway, welcome to wiki, good luck! -- Adam.
In the end the true personality of the writer comes out, and it's a difficult thing for a person to mask their true ego. Taking a cue from the Cluetrain Manifesto, I think its more important for a person on the web to be honest and express themselves, than to worry about how they are perceived. -- Mayhem
Are you sure you want to see my TRUE personality? But I guess you're right. I guess it will just happen anyway. I am just wondering whether the "your living room is a public place" thing will happen on a Wiki. Someone recently thought my bathroom was a canvas. -- JoiIto
Hi, nice Wiki Wiki -=- "The secret of genius is to carry the spirit of the child into old age, which means never losing your enthusiasm." - Aldous Huxley -=- Tao
Wikis and Multiculturalism
Wikis as Creative Software
In all the information on the growing number of wiki pages what has become somewhat lost is the story, "Joi Tries To Wiki".
VisualA fotowiki (or FWIKI) is an image with imbedded metadata based on the fotonotes image annotation standard developed by greg elin. Text, links, and or images can be imbedded and viewed INSIDE the image, creating a new collaborative information space. FotoWiki
When to use a wiki and when to use:
Other Collaborative Hypermedia?
In order to be a serious wiki do contributors need to pay attention to Hypertext Patterns?
I heard that!
The larger context of HyperMedia
See also InformationArchitects
Can wikis be used to tell a story?
JillWalker makes a observation on stories across blogs. ChristianLangreiter even has some pretty pictures of the phenomenon!
Smart Genes, the open source "novel on a wiki", is reasonably linear in structure, as it is intended for eventual print publication. However, reader contributions could potentially lead to a ParallelTexts in the wiki version. -- RickHeller
Wikis as Political Software
Internet Constituency Is it 2004 already?
Wikis as Social Software
"Interestingly enough, at the Emerging Tech Conference, wikiblogging was clearly a hot topic." For example, the Social Software Alliance BoF (Birds Of a Feather) session, probably the most intense two hours of the conference, turned itself into a big wiki BTW, thanks for digging GlobeAlive. =)-- Allen
Wikis as Social Change Software
Wikis as Social Responsibility Software
Wiki as Tool
"Quickiwiki, Swiki, Twiki, Zwiki and the Plone Wars" Definitive article. List is at the end.
I wonder if soon we will see somewhere between A and Z a wiki + IDE?
Doncha just hate it when you have a cool idea and it already has been done?
Not a wiki + IDE, not even wiki + MT yet... More like the Apache Wiki model.
M is for MovableTypeWiki
MoinMoin and This Wiki
Multiple Personal Wikis
So, I've really started having fun with the Wiki on my PowerBook, but find I don't make it over to this public Wiki as much. I have now set up rsync so that I always have a copy of this public Wiki on my own machine. Now I can edit it locally and just sync the files. This seems fun. There is more and more stuff running locally on my machine now and it helps the long train/plane rides. -- JoiIto
I thought the -u update only flag on rsync would do what I wanted, but I guess not. If you change the same Wiki page on both sites and copy the newer one over the older one, the older one is gone. Have to find a better solution than rsync for this I think. -- JoiIto
This is a hard problem. You might look how CVS solves concurrent edits. -- Zbigniew Lukasiak
Use the XSLT extension and an opml2html stylesheet. -- from MoinMoin
PythonTk-based outliner which he says can edit ZWiki pages. I'll pass your name along to him. --BillSeitz
Wiki Editorial Style
A pity that the "optional comment about this change" must be so short as to be nearly meaningless. -- AlexSchroeder
I have a question about editorial style. Still not sure what the "right size" for a Wiki page is. When should I move stuff to new pages? Is it OK for me to just move people's stuff around? When is it appropriate to delete stuff. (I'm not deleting anything unless someone marks it as "delete this when ...") I wonder if I can come up with some simple rules that I can follow... -- JoiIto 2003-05-04 01:56:54 JST
Yikes! Watch out for The Grammar Police! I wonder if they take "kickbacks"?
Thoughts about Wikis versus Blogs and WikiLogs
Do Wikis Lead to GroupThink?
Do wikis lead to GroupThink?
I think an argument could be made that they do. So, if yes, do they lead more or less to groupthink than:
DavidWeinberger responds to:
"RebeccaBlood, in her keynote (pdf) at BlogTalk, worried that bloggers only read bloggers who agree with them, thus greatly limiting the potential for growth and understanding. Worse, only reading people who think the way we do can result in an "echo chamber" where the echoes seem to confirm our beliefs."
"Blogs that come to be noticed are those which are cited, that is linked-to, interestingly mirroring the best academic tradition. This is the highest form of editorial oversight - peer review. Those bloggers who establish a reputation for themselves by virtue of their insight, wittiness and general wisdom gain attention, which, after all, is the most valuable commodity in a world of instantaneous communications."
If this is the case, then wikis take it a step further since participants abilities exceed commentary. Of course, Mark is "raising the bar", not only does this wiki offer SplatterSpace, but it also now has to be:
In "After Usability: Web Rhetoric, Captology and Persuasive Tech" PhilWolff has a somewhat different take related to this issues. He refers to it as ComputersAsPersuasiveTechnology.
Are Wikis Ugly?A great response over at PlasticBag (and by the way, didn't you talk about flyblogging? here is another example
Another interesting read is Ross Mayfield's article "Wikis Are Beautiful". He wrote it to contradict LizLawley's assertion that "Wikis Are Ugly". (This almost completes a circle because Ross quotes Joi on the difference between looking and reading. And, some of the comments following Joi's blog entry are quite relevant to this discussion, as well as being relevant to a discussion AboutWikisVsBlogs blogs.) MarkDilley briefly made a similiar statement earlier: "Wikis are beautiful because the allow easy linking to other wikis. Content on a wiki is the most important piece."
Now there is Brent's Law of Wikis, which states:
The set of people who use wikis and the set of people who know how to make websites look good are mutually exclusive.
Roadmap for future wikis 10 Sep 03 also discusses the problem that the designers with design skills don't have the programming skills to hack wiki software. But this is based on a erroneous assumption. Many wiki software tools now support XHTML/CSS see the bottom of this page for a growing list of such tools: WikisAreUgly at Community Wiki
Clay Shirky has more to say on the ugliness of wikis and emailWhy I Don't Like Wikis Email. I don't think Clay has much to worry about; ascetic wikis will persist as long as SunirShah is around, just as there are those who prefer the command line over GUI.
What is a more important in Clay's comments, and Liz' earlier comments, is a critique on wiki ease-of-use. Such criticism strikes at the heart of the WikiWay. A wiki entry needs to be quick and simple, so that the focus remains on collaboration and content.
With the rapid proliferation of WikiEngines has come experimentation on how to achieve said simplicity. Thus, there now seem to be a dozen different ways to bullet items, create a link, etc. As DavidMattison has stated "The lack of a consistent, cross-wiki standard for text formatting is a distinct and severe disadvantage, especially if you visit and contribute to different wikis."
DanahBoyd in a blog entry "Defending Wikis" asks (abstracted and paraphrased):
What is gained and lost by the intermittence of wikis
What is gained and lost by the text orientation of wikis?
Can wikis discourage malicious intent?
How do wikis support the involvement of unknown colleagues?