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Joi Ito's conversation with the living web.

Very early on, Howard warned me not to blog about the news that people will see in other places. I think this is very good advice generally. I've gotten some feedback about some of the stuff I've posted which seems to be heavily blogged already (showing up on Daypop and Blogdex). It appears many people haven't seen it yet and appreciate pointers to important stuff, even if it is a bit late. So, I'm going to write short "roundups" of links to things that bloggers seem to think are important. Heavy bloggers can ignore these.

Comments on the format and this idea would be appreciated.

Mitch Kapor quits Groove because Total Information Awareness is using Groove. John Markoff reports at the NYT

Bush Sr warning over unilateral action. Times Online reports.

US diplomat resigns over Iraq war plans CNN reports

Identity theft leading to victims being arrested. MSNBC reports. Via via Boing Boing



Well I think it's a very good idea. I go from time to time to Blogdex, Daypop etc., but finally not that much (maybe once every two weeks).

I rather like to visit the Bloggers I like to visit;) and so sometimes I read something important a bit later on one of these blogs. I don't care about being a bit delayed but I still like to hear about them early on.

Maybe it would be nice to have some sort of box in which these roundups would be displayed. Maybe underneath the moblog box?


hi Joi

I took a hit from Anil Dash :: who publishes both a weblog and a daily links :: to start a lite weblog of only stories which catch my interest :: leaving my weblog for new ideas, initiatives, announcements, bigger articles.

This starts to show the limits of the now "traditional" blogging application. There are many many types of data to publish and store - different microcontent types - which deserve different presentation and interactions.



I don't use DayPop or Blogdex (yet), and I really appreciate it when ppl whose blogs I get a lot of value from (and I include yours high in this list) link to things. If I happen to see it in three blogs high on my list, I know I /must/ check this out as it's most probably important. Often I miss this importance on one blog, but I pick it up quickly with others.

I've heard this called "triangulation" and it works. My thoughts, for what they're worth, are blog what you find important and want to share, and let us folk determine if we want to follow the link. If you're using blogs and aggregators and the such, I'm sure that your scanning skills are sufficiently developed to disregard the odd repeated entry.

The concept of having a weblog and daily links section is an interesting idea, but please include an RSS feed for both - I will subscribe.

I used to get irritated by the continuous incestual posting of the same links, and even wrote blog entries condemning the practice (even as I did the same thing).

Eugene Volokh turned me around when he answered a question from the audience in a recent panel. Eugene basically said that people like Glenn Reynolds and Ken Layne are the editors of our time and our media. We read their blogs not just for original content, but because we trust their editorial judgement.

From that perspective, Joi, it seems as though you ought to post things like this, so that people who trust your editorial judgement can avoid having to plow through news aggregators to figure out what's important or interesting to them. They know that you're interesting, and that they'll probably like what you like, to some extent.

Wow. What great feedback. Thanks. So I will start posting roundups when I can and try to think of a style that works better than putting them in the "flow."

I always found the following article to be indispensible advice for those who maintain weblogs.

I envision it as something like "Washington Week in Review"--highlights of the blogging week or focus on trends, with comments about why it is important. The difference between such a review and something like a Blogdex listing is the value added by your editorial discernment. Re-view, looking at something again from a distance (in time), provides valuable perspective in the blogging world, where everything is immediate and so immediately forgotten.

The thing about linking to stuff that others have also linked to is that it is the manner and the act of an individual's pointing that is important here.

I'm trying to think of an analogy, but failing. I started by thinking that maybe, in this respect, blog readers are rather like a dog responding to a human pointing their finger (stick with me here...)

If you stand in front of a dog and point to the stick you want them to retrieve, the dog will look at your finger. A dog has no way of interpreting what the human gesture means - you're just an alpha dog showing them your finger. The finger of this alpha dog is, for the moment at least, really interesting.

I guess what I'm struggling to say is: if we're interested enough in what you think to come to your blog in the first place, we're also interested in what you think about what you link.

You are indeed our editor here. Personally, I love reading different reactions and comments all linking to the same central meme - one of the reasons I enjoy Technorati so much.

The raging debate surrounding the use of the word "stupid" in Doc 'n' Dave's WoE thing, for example. It's really engaging to see how one word can provoke such an extraordinary spectrum of responses from so many different people.

OK. I'm fully conscious of the fact that I may not be making a whole lot of sense here (not that this has ever stopped me in the past :-).


And this point has already been well expressed by others in the comments above, anyway. The key thing is: you link to what you want to, baby - we're still going to come and read it...


Another thing to consider when thinking about what to post and what not is your site's audience. For instance, I don't have any grand world-dominating designs for my own blog, but I know that many less-technical family and friends read it, and that many of those people don't read a lot of other sites. Accordingly, I try to highlight what seems important to me on the net, because I know that a lot of my regular readers don't surf the same places I do, or at least not as regularly.

I really like your idea, especially how you have out the stories in the extended part of the post, so that people who don't want them can skip them. I hadn't read about the Groove networks story before, and I appreciate having found it here.

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